Treasonable Redactions (The Mueller Investigation Part 97)

Link to previous thread for reference:

Previous thread titles for reference:

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation (10/27/17)

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation, Part Two (10/28/17)

The Four Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 3 (10/31/17)

A Man For All Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 4 (11/5/17)

It's Beginning to Look a lot like Treason! The Mueller Investigation Part 5 (12/4/17)

Treason Is The Reason For The Season! The Mueller Investigation Part 6 (12/16/17)

Treason to Believe (The Mueller Investigation Part 7) (12/26/17)

I Love You For Sentimental Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 8) (1/3/18)

Give Me One Treason To Stay Here... (The Mueller Investigation Part 9) (1/15/18)

Treasons of Love (The Mueller Investigation Part 10) (1/24/18)

For Treasons Which Are Well Known To Them (The Mueller Investigation Part 11) (1/30/18)

Come on and Treason Down, Treason Down the Road (The Mueller Investigation Part 12) (2/6/18)

13 Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 13) (2/18/18)

By Treason of Insanity (The Mueller Investigation Part 14) (2/23/18)

The Edge of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 15) (2/28/18)

A Treason to Live; A Treason to Die (The Mueller Investigation Part 16)…(3/10/18)

Treasons of the Heart (The Mueller Investigation Part 17) (3/17/18)

A Stormy Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 18) (3/21/18)

Lovin', Touchin', Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 19) (3/26/18)

Everything Happens for a Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 20) (4/4/18)

For All the Right Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 21) (4/11/18)

Treasons Change (The Mueller Investigation Part 22) (4/16/18)

Dangerous Tre'asons (The Mueller Investigation Part 23) (4/22/18)

Don't Stop (the) Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 24) (5/1/18)

Got This Treason in My Body (The Mueller Investigation Part 25) (5/7/18)

I'm Treason on a Jet Plane... (The Mueller Investigation Part 26) (5/14/18)

Treasonnaires' Disease (The Mueller Investigation Part 27) (5/21/18)

You've Lost That Lovin' Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 28) (6/2/18)

Multiple Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 29) (6/9/18)

For Undisclosed Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 30) (6/18/18)

The Apple Doesn't Fall Far from the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 31) (06/23/18)

Treason d'être (The Mueller Investigation Part 32) (06/30/18)

My Treasons Are Not My Own (The Mueller Investigation Part 33) (07/08/18)

The Treasons a Baby Cries (The Mueller Investigation Part 34) (07/13/19)

Get to Know Your Family Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 35) (07/15/18)

All You Got To Do is Hold Him And Kiss Him and Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 36) (07/17/18)

Fall or Spring? Which Would / Wouldn't Be Your Favorite Treason? (The Mueller Investigation Part 37) (07/18/18)

It's the Time of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 38) (07/21/18)

My Treasonal Summer Job Abroad (The Mueller Investigation Part 39) (07/25/18)

Yellow is the Color of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 40) (07/27/18)

The Treason for my Life's Trials and Tribulations (The Mueller Investigation Part 41) (07/31/18)

Hunting Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 42) (08/04/18)

It's Swimsuit Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 43) (08/07/18)

Treasonably Priced (The Mueller Investigation Part 44) (08/12/18)

Tre45onal Affective Disorder (The Mueller Investigation Part 45) (08/16/18)

A Plea for Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 46 (08/21/18)

Untreasonably Hot (The Mueller Investigation Part 47) (08/22/18)

There is a Treason... Turn, Turn, Turn (The Mueller Investigation Part 48) (08/24/18)

The Voice of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 49) (08/28/18)

The Golden Age of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 50) (09/03/18)

Treasons for Remaining Anonymous (The Mueller Investigation Part 51) (09/08/18)

Hurricane Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 52) (09/16/18)

All Natural Mushroom Treasoning (The Mueller Investigation Part 53) (09/22/18)

Treasoning with an Alcoholic (The Mueller Investigation Part 54) (09/28/18)

Judicial Treasoning (The Mueller Investigation Part 55) (10/06/18)

Treasons for Hidden Genius (The Mueller Investigation Part 56) (10/15/18)

Trick or Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 57) (10/25/18)

Several Treasons to Get Out and Vote in the Midterms (The Mueller Investigation Part 58) (11/5/18)

Heading Back to the Magical Keebler Elf Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 59) (11/11/18)

It's Turkey Picking Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 60) (November 18, 2018)

Stepping into the Holiday Treason! (The Mueller Investigation Part 61) (November 26, 2018)

Treason's Greetings! (The Mueller Investigation Part 62) (November 29, 2018)

Spirit of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 63) (December 3, 2018)

'Tis the Treason to be Jolly (The Mueller Investigation Part 64) (December 5, 2018)

Celebrate this Holiday Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 65) (December 8, 2018)

Treasons to Get out of Solitary (The Mueller Investigation Part 66) (December 10, 2018)

Numerous Treasons For Silence (The Mueller Investigation Part 67) December 12, 2018)

Treasons We Celebrate This Season (The Mueller Investigation Part 68) (December 15, 2018)

Trimming the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 69) (December 19, 2018)

O Christmas Treason, O Christmas Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 70) (December 22, 2018)

Treasons We'll Be Ringing in the New Year (The Mueller Investigation Part 71) (December 27, 2018)

Treasons I'm Coming For You (The Mueller Investigation Part 72) (January 3, 2019)

A Shutdown is Perfectly Treasonable (The Mueller Investigation Part 73) (January 6, 2019)

Treasons I'm Focused (The Mueller Investigation Part 74) (January 10, 2019)

Treasons We Need A Wall (The Mueller Investigation Part 75) (January 13, 2019)

Mid-Treason Replacement (The Mueller Investigation Part 76) (January 15, 2019)

A Treasonable Request (The Mueller Investigation Part 77) (January 19, 2019)

Treasons to Postpone (The Mueller Investigation Part 78) (January 23, 2019)

Swinging from the Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 79) (January 26, 2019)

Sweating Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 80) (January 30, 2019)

I'll Be Your Girl For All Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 81) (February 4, 2019)

House Cleaning Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 82) (February 9, 2019)

For Emergency Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 83) (February 15, 2019)

Treasons I Speak (The Mueller Investigation Part 84) (February 19, 2019)

Treasonable Preparations (The Mueller Investigation Part 85) (February 23, 2019)

Treasons for Redemption (The Mueller Investigation Part 86) (March 1, 2019)

Treasons to Watch (The Mueller Investigation Part 87) (March 7, 2019)

A Treasonable Amount of Time (The Mueller Investigation Part 88) (March 11, 2019)

Treasons I Have Veto Power (The Mueller Investigation Part 89) (March 18, 2019)

Treasons I've Submitted My Report (The Mueller Investigation Part 90) (March 22, 2019)

Treasons to Continue On (The Mueller Investigation Part 91) (March 24, 2019)

Treasons For a Barr Cover (The Mueller Investigation Part 92) (March 24, 2019)

Treasons to Protect Our Assets (The Mueller Investigation Part 93) (March 26, 2019)

Treasonable Interference (The Mueller Investigation Part 94) (March 31, 2019)

Tax Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 95) (April 6, 2019)

Treasons You May Leave (The Mueller Investigation Part 96) (April 11, 2019)

Treasonable Redactions (The Mueller Investigation Part 97) (April 18, 2019)

I truly believe Barr and Trump have decided to announce the start of a criminal investigation into spying on the Trump campaign. It’s their best shot at undermining the Mueller Report.

So fucking corrupt.

Thanks OP for the thread.

William Barr is a fat fucking Cunt!

Even the CDs are being used to create delays. No USBs? It’s fucking 2019! The fucking things might be blank anyway.

Barr is a criminal, just like Trump. He has always been a blight on this country.

R7 Maybe it's an audio book.... The (Redacted) Mueller Report as read to you by William Barr!

Republicans are Shelbyville.

Thanks OP

Not one mainstream has picked this up. Why can’t Anderson, Don or Rachel handle this?

R12 meant for Aaron Schock Cocksmella/Cockgrabbin Thread

Excellent thread title.

R6, I was hoping for some actual news; everybody knows that.

Wonder what SDNY will be up to tomorrow.

Paper airplanes and shooting paper clips with rubber bands?

Make sure to WW OP before the Russian cum dumpsters FF the thread to hell.

Gross. People still drink Stoli?

Brian Williams joked about it on MSNBC and said CD's ? What no 8 Track or cassettes tapes? LOL

Tomorrow is the big day. After almost 100 threads. This thread is going to be on and poppin’.

Knowing the incompetency of this administration, they'll accidently release the unredacted report.

^^^We only hope.

Not like anyone believes this fat slob or his obese orange master.

Remember, the SDNY answers to the fat slob. It's the new you state AG who needs to bust some fatties.

[quote]It's the new you state AG who needs to bust some fatties.

She made such a big deal about how, one elected, Trump's ass was going to be grass and she was the mower.

Then she got elected and complete radio silence.

I think we got played.

Barr looks like an elderly, obese Ralphie from A Christmas Story. He gives me the willies

Redactions are supposedly minimal. Don't get your hopes up.

Sure R25. Keep dreaming.

R25 If they were minimal, it wouldn't have taken nearly a month of hemming and hawing from Barr to get the report out.

I left the first and last words of every sentence, unless those words were collusion, criminal, treason/treasonous, theft, conspiracy, lies/falsehood, malfeasance,..

Barr is openly orchestrating a cover up. The press conference hours before the release of the report is a cover up.

It’s a cover up. Barr is not working for the nation, Barr is working for Trump.

Bot a single member of Mueller’s team will be at the press conference.

*not

Barr & cohorts delayed releasing the redacted report until a long holiday weekend when Congress is away for 10 says Then the rollout and methodology is conducted in a way to totally favor Trump.

Subpoena all these characters and start impeachment proceedings immediately. Get tough and mean business, Democrats. Don't show weakness and frustration, but vigorous determination to act.

^10 days. Not says

I just think the media is going to make too much of this report, accepting it on Barr's terms, when what they need to ask Barr, at 9:30, is what he shared with the WH, who he shared it with, and why he did that. I would rip his agenda out of his hands at 9: 30 and run my own agenda. We don't even know if this is Mueller's actual report.

What R33 said x 100,000,000

I want to make sure I see Jeffrey Toobin today, because he always has a good take on the legal aspects. I prefer him to Ari Melber. But I must say yesterday or the day before, Melber got all over Ken Dilanian's shit interrupting and correcting him, until Dilanian was blushing and frustrated.I was glad to see someone check Little Kenny.

Kellyanne knows to leak tidbits to Dilanian. He'll carry the WH messaging on anything. The problem with that is such leaks often include deception.

FFS r38....GET HELP, YOU ARE NOT CUTE.

R39, you are the one who obviously needs help. It is time for you to return to the real world. the media have been lying to you. The same media outlets that told you that Saddam Hussein had a vast arsenal of WMDs when they wanted a war in Iraq have been telling you about "Russian Collusion." They were lying then, they are lying now.

Trump has been speaking the truth all along when he said there was no Russian Collusion. Adam Schiff is scared to death the truth about his involvement in human trafficking will be revealed. The Standard Hotel scandals will bring down Schiff.

It won't happen but I would love for a reporter to ask Barr.

If Donald J Trump shot someone in the middle of 5th avenue would you still support him? because he claims he could do that and wouldn't lose a single supporter and clearly you are supporting him.

Hilarious how Senator Schumer accuses Trump of "hand-picking" Barr, as though all Attorneys General were not chosen by the POTUS.

Barr was chosen because George W. Bush flipped on the Deep State, Barr will be kinder and gentler to the Bush clan than another AG might have been.

Let the festivities begin.

Right on time... Remember they only troll when they're worried. They can't help their obviousness... They're not that bright.

Don't feed them

Alt-Right and Putty Poop trolls do coordinate their timing. Don't you realize trolls, Vodka is the Devil's water?

What is more Deep State than DJT's Cabinet, the rest of his administration, unethical Republican Congressional enablers, and Republican appointees and judges? Then there's Miss Lindzay.

I'm sure they order a LOT of pizzas r48.

Whitewash

By implication, Barr is admitting that the Trump campaign coordinated with Russia in releasing the stolen emails, they just didn’t violate specific US law in doing so.

“No collusion, no collusion.” Barr is expressing intense sympathy with Trump . . .

Barr's breath must smell like Trump's shit from kissing his ass.

IRA? Irish Republican Army?

Barr is spinning like crazy. Trump, in his mind, is a hero.

"President did not assert Executive Privilege over the report."

IRA -- Internet Research Agency The Russian group that trolls the internet.

R57, thank you!

Evading the question as to why Mueller isn’t there. Abruptly breaks off questioning.

So when Donald Jr, Manafort and Kushner met with Russians about dirt on Hillary, that wasn't cooperation/collusion with Russians, and when Pres Trump created a press release that was a lie claiming that meeting was about adoption that wasn't obstruction.

What a fucking liar.

Pathetic—just a pathetic performance.

Barr is utterly shameless. Using Trump's hurt feelings as a justification for obstruction.

But Trump was “sincere” in those hurt feelings! And he was so helpful to Mueller, despite attacking him every day!

A new Sternly Worded Letter

It looks like the media are not buying what Barr had to sell.

[quote] The game is over and the Democrats have lost.

Chuck Todd: Trump and Barr Have ‘Successfully Neutered’ Mueller’s Report

Mueller time is over...time to pay the Barr tab

Choad Todd needs to move to Fox.

Dump will not get yet another pass.

It's time to PAY.

Barr was so sleazy in his characterization of Trump Admin working to assist the Special Counsel. That was pure spin. There were several times when Barr seemed to be spinning WH talking points.

It's like Barr has taken over the Huckster's job.

I also wanted to know what the scope of the investigation was. Jeremy Bash has some good points. We already know that Trump didn't collude with IRA and official Russia Government. No one has ever accused them of that. If that is where all the No Collusion is coming from then it's no shock. But what about all the other areas.

Barr is not the AG for the United States of America.

Barr is just another attorney for Trump.

Trump has corroded and corrupted our important institutions.

^^^attorney = shill

The Troll-in-Chief gloats

Re [R74] Interestingly enough, if we eliminate the language in the upper left hand corner, the above photo can be used when the Grifter in Chief is kicked out of the WH, either by prosecution or vote.... heh.

Cheeto speaking soon, to gloat some more, no doubt

The fact that he posted that should be enough to invoke the 25th. A mentally stable person does not do something like that.

Per a NY Post reporter, they're playing Disney tunes at the White House

Notice the fat mafioso fuck had two guys stand to his side to intimidate

Link to report please someone

Mueller Report Link HERE

Direct to pdf:

So what happened to the CDs?

Let the shitstorm commence.

By page 16 the fucking thing is completely black pages.

[quote]By page 16 the fucking thing is completely black pages.

"... light redactions."

Joyce Vance on MSNBC this morning after the presser, had the best, most definitive summary. Find it. Watch it.

The one thing I took away is Barr admitting he and Mueller had areas of disagreement.....

Rosenstein looked like he's been given a lobotomy. He was absolutely Stepford in his behavior. Robotic.

MSNBC is reporting that Trump said "I'm fucked" when he first learned of Mueller's appointment.

[quote]MSNBC is reporting that Trump said "I'm fucked" when he first learned of Mueller's appointment.

And why would he say that since he's been so transparent and had nothing to hide?

I love it! No matter how hard they try to control the narrative, it isn't happening. I have to imagine we'll be getting a few more leaps off the Good Ship Trump.

Trump PERSONALLY received a call about the emails, after which Trump told a campaign aide “more releases of damaging information would be coming.”

Well what a load of lies. Trump knew in advance of the release of emails

David Frum:

I still want to know what I wanted to know in 2016: Putin's Russia obviously has some kind of hold upon the man in the presidency. What is the origin and nature of that hold? It's not a legal question, it's a national-security question.

Sadly, the majority of the American public is over this. Now it's just going to look like sour grapes to the public. Americans have incredibly short attention spans. They're already ready for the next fresh scandal. Mueller is just a re-run that they're switching the channel on.

And can we just state that Mueller is dope for letting Trump answer via written questions and not a sitdown interview?

Mueller on obstruction: It's up to Congress to decide

Ultimate Mueller conclusion:

1] Cannot indict a sitting president,

2] the evidence is here to indict this president

3] it is up to Congress to impeach.

[quote]Per a NY Post reporter, they're playing Disney tunes at the White House

You know that's a joke, right?

Please don't buy into Barr's narrative. This president and his administration are the most corrupt and immoral in American history and the Mueller Report will make it clear that Barr's re-positioning efforts are weak, disgusting, disgraceful, and wrong.

The only people left are flunkies and protectors of trump... Barr is one of them. This makes me fucking sick.

Oh, I disagree wholeheartedly with that, R94. If anyone is changing the channel on this, they never really cared to begin with. The population, in this case, is not as shallow as one would thing. Time is not on Trump's side here.

MSNBC now reporting that Mueller concludes the report by saying obstruction investigation should be done by Congress.

R94 is a troll.

Trump ordered Don McGahn to deny that he tried to fire Mueller. McGahn refused.

r97

Pee tapes are real.

Mueller seems to have unambiguously concluded that Trump obstructed justice re incident R104 is talking about.

McGahn also said that Trump ordered him to call Rod Rosenstein and tell him that Mueller couldn't be the special counsel.

Is McCann the most damning testimony?

LOL ... "I'm fucked" on page 290

Mueller has referred 14 investigations to other US Attorneys' offices

I am absolutely glued to MSNBC today, I haven’t even taken a shower yet. This is riveting.

r112, me2

[quote]It's like Barr has taken over the Huckster's job.

Well, beyond their obsessive mutual admiration of Trump, they also have in common vigorous appetites.

The goal now is to ensure Assange never squeals. The beard, the paleness and feigned frailty is easy to fake. Tales of smearing feces on the walls (lies).

It's not a coincidence that this all went down after Barr secretly shared the report with Trump weeks ago.

Will he be excused for mental incompetence? Fake suicide (private cremation), then a quick exit to Russia or Indonesia? A sentence then a pardon?

Barr’s claim that Trump was driven by innocent “hurt feelings,” and that Trump was completely transparent during the investigation, are contradicted by the Report.

Seth Abramson:

"Holy crap! 'Trump told advisers it was the end of his presidency' when Mueller was appointed. Was he simply whining, or is that consciousness of guilt? Jesus Christ what a thing to say! And this is just the Executive Summary!"

[quote]Pee tapes are real

Huh-huh-huh-huh. "Stopped flow of tapes."

I am just sad for what we have become. Thanks for this thread. It helps me.

R117... I took that to mean that trump knew it was illegal and was an admission of guilt, in an indirect way. This was blanked out.. but, he said, "I'm fucked.". He was shitting bricks.

The President then asked, “What about these notes? Why do you take notes? Lawyers don’t take notes. I never had a lawyer who takes notes.” McGahn responded that he keeps notes because he is a “real lawyer” and explained that notes create a record and are not a bad thing. The President said, I’ve had a lot of great lawyers, like Roy Cohn. He did not take notes.”

Told ya it's true.

See Don Don.

While the #TrumpInc team reads, you can too.

Mueller says Russian intelligence targeted Clinton’s personal office within five hours of Trump publicly requesting it on July 27, 2016.

Goodness, all I had to do was say this bullshit about my emails was hurting my feelings and it would've all blown over!

Page 300: After Trump directed McGahn to call Rosenstein and have Mueller removed, McGahn "called his lawyer, drove to the White House, packed up his office, prepared to submit a resignation letter ... told Priebus that the President had asked him to 'do crazy shit.'"

What the fuck was Barr thinking? He knew we were going to read all this. I’m sure they’re spinning it on Fox, but even Fox viewers want to know what happened according to polls. They have a lawyer on staff there that is halfway decent IIRC. They can’t cover up everything.

Everyone else is saying blatantly that Trump is guilty and the only thing stopping Mueller was being told he wouldn’t be prosecuted no matter what he did. Even then he says he wants to preserve evidence (for when Trump is out). And says Congress should take it up.

TL;DR: Guilty as hell, but "technicalities"

Thanks to those of you posting the tweets with excerpts, etc.

Page 157:

[quote]Our investigation found [bold]multiple acts by the President that were capable of exerting undue influence over law enforcement investigations, including Russian-interference and obstruction investigations.[/bold]

BUT

Page 160:

[quote]The Department of Justice has taken the position that Section 1512(c)(2) states a broad, independent, and unqualified prohibition on obstruction of justice.

Is this worse than expected? It seems pretty bad to me

One obstruction of justice after another,

but can't indict a sitting President.

SUCH BULLSHIT.

Seth Abramson:

***BREAKING***: There's a *claim* being made online that the DOJ accidentally left a way to see redactions. I will *not* write more about this until it's confirmed—but I did want to acknowledge that an attorney out there is making this *claim*. I'll follow up on this claim later.

!!!!!

Hmm I already had the trolls on ignore.

R133 hope thats true!!

Does Senator Tammy Duckworth suppose to feel bad for calling Trump "Cadet Bone Spurs" because it hurt his feelings and rendered him emotionally sad?

BUT THEIR EMAILS

[quote]Some of the individuals we interviewed or whose conduct we investigated — including some associated with the Trump campaign — deleted relevant communications or communicated during the relevant period using applications that feature encryption or that do not provide for long-term retention of data or communications records.

Trump made a concerted effort to get Corey Lewandowski to get Jeff Sessions to limit the investigation to preventing future election interference.

Mueller saw the obstruction, but kicked the ball, expecting Congress to address it.

[quote]The president engaged in ... conduct involving public attacks on the investigation, non-public efforts to control it, and efforts in both private and public to encourage witnesses to not cooperate with the investigation.

^^^How the fuck is that not literally obstructing justice?

It IS obstructing justice - Mueller left it to Congress to convict.

Listening to analysis on MSNBC, what Mueller has done is basically give instructions to Congress on how to pursue impeachment.

We have known he obstructed justice when he fired Comey...we all saw that on TV.

Mueller is a coward in every way. I despise him.

R145, are you posting from Moscow?

Ok this all seems really bad

If ever there was an opportunity for WikiLeaks to redeem itself, it is now. Surely, someone somewhere has access to the unredacted report and they could get it to WikiLeaks for release?

Not a good day for Donald. How the hell he remains in there is mind-boggling. Impeach him, and remove him.

Let's get the Senate's nuts and ovaries in a vice. The House can move forward with its investigation and if the Senate doesn't jump on, they look AWFUL.

Redacted on Russia (actual page)

r142, it is MULTIPLE occurrences of obstruction of justice.

Sorry, here's just one page of the Russia redactions:

Barr is getting in lint to be appointed to the Supreme Court

r154 Barr is too old to be appointed to the Supreme Court

So can someone really see all the redacted section????

[quote]Barr is too fat to be appointed to the Supreme Court

I want to see the confirmation of the pee tapes hit the national news. This needs to be recognized.

For work reasons, I get statements from the Trump campaign. Their most recent headline: "Time to Turn the Tables!" AS IF!

Annotated courtesy of WaPo

Listen, asshole, the coward Mueller should have insisted Trump be charged many months ago. Rosenstein and Mueller are spineless fools who did not protect our country from Trump and Putin.

r158 Where did you see that? Did the pee tapes really get confirmed?

omfg Barr needs to resign. Too bad his conduct isn't considered criminal. WHAT A FUCKING DISGRACE that fat sack of shit is. He is a true partisan hack

Page 57: "Within approximately five hours of Trump's statement [on July 27, 2016 that Russia find Clinton's emails], GRU officers targeted for the first time Clinton's personal office."

R162, see R106—confirmation of [italic]some[/italic] kind of tapes.

Don't even try, folks. You're NOT going to discredit Mueller.

R162 it was inferred in a text message to Cohen. Posted at R108 above

^^oops meant R106 not r108

Thanks r165 and r167

Go for it, Congress! The ball is in your court.. do it!

"Putin has won"

Extensive redactions re: IRA indicate on-going cointel probes. Report is not a one-and-done exoneration of Trump, no matter how Barr spins it.

So Crocus Group, headed by the Agalarovs, is the owner of the pee tapes. Agalarov jr was the one who set up the June 2016 Trump Tower mtg.

Trump broke tube law, right and left, yet men who refused to stand up, pretended they could not decide. Does Mueller imagine he will come out of this looking like a good guy? He looks like a whimpy, excuse maker. Trump should be hung by his neck but Mueller should be destroyed.

What about THE EVIDENCE collected, like emails, recordings, texts...

Where is the supporting evidence. Will that also be released?

Seriously, what is with the attempts to equate Mueller with Trump's wrongdoing? It's not going to work, folks, especially when he does get to testify?

pretty disgraceful that fucking Burr was giving the WH a head's up about the investigation when the media thought he was a less partisan repub. He just had the appearance of it but he's not much better than Nunes

He's also fat, R177

Honestly, with all the redaction on this report... which is a lot, I think there's enough damning evidence against trump.

It’s clear Mueller found ample evidence of obstruction, if not "collusion," but he operated under the DOJ policy that a president cannot be indicted. His report provides a clear path for congress to impeach however, which is the only option as he saw it.

Mueller's actions regarding his decision to kick the obstruction can over to Congress now makes a lot more sense. He essentially wrote a roadmap to impeachment for Congress since he believed he did not have the power to indict the president.

Where are the EXHIBITS? I want to see the texts, emails and tape recordings.

I’m upset there’s nothing in there implicating Pence. Which, if Cheeto gets impeached or quits, guess what folks.

R178 I meant Senator Richard Burr, not AG Barr

Tube law? Burr? WTF are you people talking about??!

Pence knew what was going down during the transition period. Maybe he didn't do anything criminal himself but certainly unethical. He might be investigated in the ongoing counter intelligence probe though

R185 Burr of the Senate

I’m just hearing on NPR that the report is a good thing for Trump. So confused.

I bet you're confused, R188. Confused and concerned.

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These fucking redactions ARE NOT NECESSARY - remember that Mueller already redacted and issued summaries of every section - THESE ALREADY SUMMARISED PAGES ARE BEING REDACTED.

I love Mueller again.. LOL!

R188 uh not at all lol. It really sounds like Trump would have been charged for obstruction had he not been President

I want mueller subpoenaed. What's Nadler doing. Come on subpoena power

Pence is damaged goods. He might be president long enough until Election Day 2020, but the stain affects him, too.

National Enquirer sold $100M

Mueller was cautious and systematic. Some may see he needed to be more confrontational and needed to have delivered more aggressive and critical statements about Trump. That is a perceptive argument perhaps: but he did provide Congress a very plausible avenue to further investigate and pursue impeachment if they so choose. By Mueller being detailed and looking to have done an objective approach, it somewhat minimizes the other side (Trump supporting Republicans) in portraying Mueller falsely as a Democratic and biased partisan.

The ball is in the court of House Democrats.

I firmly believe the House Democrats will act and if the Republican-led Senate doesn't, it's going to look REALLY BAD.

Both Ivanka and Hope Hicks were at the Trump Tower meeting. PDF page 123:

Rick Gates, who was the deputy campaign chairman, stated during interviews with the Office that in the days before June 9, 2016 Trump Jr. announced at a regular morning meeting of senior campaign staff and Trump family members that he had a lead on negative information about the Clinton Foundation. Gates believed that Trump Jr. said the information was coming from a group in Kyrgyzstan and that he was introduced to the group by a friend. Gates recalled that the meeting was attended by Trump Jr., Eric Trump, Paul Manafort, Hope Hicks, and, joining late, Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner. According to Gates, Manafort warned the group that meeting likely would not yield vital information and they should be careful. Hicks denied any knowledge of the June 9 meeting before 2017 and Kushner did not recall if the planned June 9 meeting came up at all earlier that week.

I hope the House immediately issues subpoenas

I don't think the House will impeach just yet as they're conducting other investigations and want all the information. That is wise as there's likely even more damaging info.

Would they impeach next year during an election cycle?

Thread roll up of seth abramsons twitter thread on the report: keep refreshing it for additions to his thread

[quote]Would they impeach next year during an election cycle?

McTurtle would shout that no impeachments can happen a year prior or a year after to an election!

R196 Lindsey Graham doesn't want to hear from Mueller.

Miss Thang has stated her wishes.

What the hell r202. Why not?

Well thankfully the Democrats are in charge in the House. Someone needs to drop a dime on Miss Lindsey.

Where's the color code, sugar?

Miss Lindz doesn't want her own compromat coming out when Mueller testifies

So Mueller left a “roadmap” to impeachment. Fuck that. Means the Turd will be in office for two more years and maybe 4 after that. What a fucking waste of time. Public perception will be that he’s clean as a whistle with Barr as the ultimate cheerleading source. Game set match. The Orange Turd outmaneuvered the system. America is a sick and dying empire.

[quote]Someone needs to drop a dime on Miss Lindsey.

R201 The House conducts impeachment hearings, not the Senate. McConnell has no say in the matter.

OK. You're Donald Trump. This Report is really the end of your Presidency. No, it really is. Soon the big money guys will desert, and so will Republicans in the Senate. Soon, there will be tremendous pressure on you to not run for re-election. Maybe even make a deal with you that if you just retire you will be able to walk away (except for the SDNY). So those a re your options. 1. Stay and face impeachment, 2. Face defeat at the polls, 3. Retire and walk away. 4. Your personal, "nuclear option" which would involve astate of emergency, martial law, starting a war, creating a crisis, telling Lil Kim to attack, etc. etc. something big, dramatic and legally questionable.

What Would Donnie Do?

Lindsey is on another junket to Africa. Perhaps he'll provide some "attention" to the Darfur orphan.

R207 Drinking and typing? Stop what you’re doing and take a nap.

StinkPuss Conway is giving a press conference. ABC News cut away once she started her usual bullshit.

I'm well aware, R209, doesn't mean he won't say it. And the Senate obviously won't vote to convict.

Mueller punting to Congress.

“With respect to whether the President can be found to have obstructed justice by exercising his powers under Article II of the Constitution, we concluded that Congress has authority to prohibit a President's corrupt use of his authority in order to protect the integrity of the administration of justice. "

Senate didn’t vote to convict Nixon either, they got him to resign instead.

What alternate reality is R210 living in?

“After candidate Trump stated on July 27, 2016, that he hoped Russia would "find the 30,000 emails that are missing," Trump asked individuals affiliated with his Campaign to find the deleted Clinton emails.264 Michael Flynn-who would later serve as National Security Advisor in the Trump Administration- recalled that Trump made this request repeatedly, and Flynn subsequently contacted multiple people in an effort to obtain the emails.”

They left Senator Richard Burr out of the redactions.

Y’all about throwing their own under the bus...

This thread title is the literal truth, no pun involved.

Peepee tapes go mainstream

Mueller says lies by Trump associates to Congress and special counsel “materially impaired” Russia investigation

Impeachment, finally! I can't wait until this country gets back to some sort of normalcy.

Page 72: Sarah "Itchy Vag" Sanders admits to Mueller that she lied about shit

Chris Wallace’s take:

I’m sure the Fox opinionators will say this proves Trump has a haloon his head. But I’m guessing the actual news people are not going to go there.

Halo, sorry, it keep mis-correcting ^^

This is wholly and fundamentally unfair. The AG is supposed to represent the country. That’s why Presidents have their own personal lawyers.

I am most angry about the AG in all of this. What blatant corruption!!!!

Fuck yourself with a rusty Russian rake r212. Truth hurts, doesn’t it. You are an imbecile.

This is not going to fly. What are we, a third world country?

So, can someone summarize? Does Trump get off scot-free or doesn't he?

Just imagine what is revealed in the redactions. It’s much worse.

I think we're about to find that out, r230.

Summary: Mueller: There's a shit load of evidence that Trump obstructed justice and that his campaign regularly colluded with Russia, and I've presented it here. Now it's up to you, Congress. Barr: Nothing to see here folks, move along.

Welcome to Trumpistan, R230.

This redacted report is bullshit. Congress needs to see the unredacted report.

Addendum to R234: Russia systematically interfered with the 2016 election.

The Report is actually quite damning even with the redactions.

202-224-3121 is the congressional switchboard. I called my rep, and senators for good measure, a said we need mueller to testify and we need to introduce articles of impeachment.

I know 2020 will be a fight, and I know people are counting votes. I was sad, now I'm angry.

Also, Trump did everything he could think of to obstruct justice. He told his cabinet members over and over to lie or fire people to obstruct justice. Those people later went to their friends and said, “no way am I doing that” and wouldn’t do it. Some quit.

That’s why a bunch of them aren’t going to jail. They told Trump, “I’ll look into it,” then wouldn’t do it because they didn’t want to go to jail.

R234 nice summary, but you left out Trump's response to Mueller's appointment:

"Oh my God! This is the end of my presidency. I’m fucked!"

[quote]Lindsey is on another junket to Africa. Perhaps he'll provide some "attention" to the Darfur orphan.

He presented hole, but I was too dehydrated to do much about it.

[quote]"Oh my God! This is the end of my presidency. I’m fucked!"

In some ways trump really is a cunning manipulator of people (mostly clueless ones), but for the most part he’s truly a buffoon. How could anyone ever SAY such a thing in the presence of others? It’s almost beyond comprehension how someone could BE so stupid.

I see Nicole Wallace still refuses to acknowledge that the administration she worked for lied to the American people about the reasons for the invasion of Iraq. That she worked for a criminal President and administration that cost millions of lives and trillions of dollars.

[quote]By Mueller being detailed and looking to have done an objective approach, it somewhat minimizes the other side (Trump supporting Republicans) in portraying Mueller falsely as a Democratic and biased partisan.

And it totally disproves (of course) Trump's flailing rhetoric about 'the worst witch hunt in American history' (rinse and repeat).

However these crucial chips eventually fall, Mueller's meticulous dedicated report will stand the scrutiny of history. As might the likely fact that he was coerced into 'finishing' too quickly. (So many more leads to follow.)

Furthermore we now know that Trump's reaction to the fact of the special report was (again of course) hardly Presidential. 'I'm fucked' sounds for all the world like a witch terrified by a witch-hunt.

Rightly so. There have to be leads aplenty even in the unredacted pages - Barr is as prone to error as any corrupt Republican. 'Game over' this absolutely can not and will not be.

Millions of lives is a bit of an exaggeration but otherwise I agree, r243.

So how is the media spinning this? Someone up thread said NPR believes Trump is in the clear? I am too scared to turn the news on.

....

^Well, that didn't take long.

[QUOTE] I am too scared to turn the news on.

Then how will you ever handle a real emergency Mary?

Hope Hicks? Come see us, gurl.

"Stopped flow of tapes from Russia but not sure if there's anything else. Just so you know..."

Rtskhiladze told the special counsel that "tapes" referred to “compromising tapes of Trump rumored to be held by persons associated with the Russian real estate conglomerate Crocus Group,” which had helped host the 2013 Miss Universe Pageant, according to the report. Cohen told the special counsel that he spoke to Trump about the issue after receiving Rtskhiladze’s text.

Rtskhiladze, however, told prosecutors that he was told the tapes were fake, but that he didn’t convey that to Cohen.

Such bullshit - if the tapes were "fake" why would this Russian stooge be so concerned about stopping the flow? Quite obvious they were real.

NT Times' Matt Apuzzo:

One of the biggest questions of the past two years — something that fueled the news coverage, the federal investigation and congressional scrutiny — is why so many people around Mr. Trump lied, misled and changed their stories. People hoping that Mr. Mueller would resolve those questions will be disappointed. Time and again, Mr. Mueller seems as confused as anyone else about the motives.

All the more reason for Congress to investigate this fully and put these people under oath. Most of them are idiots and will be caught in their own lies.

Michael Cohen "I can fill in most of the redactions." Bring it, Mike.

Frankly, R252, it’s Apuzzo who sounds a bit thick.

Since what is revealed is so damning, I can't imagine how terrible... the redacted material of Mueller's report.

[quote] Michael Cohen "I can fill in most of the redactions." Bring it, Mike.

Cohen, Cohen, he's our man. If he can't do it no one can.

NEW YORK – Michael Cohen, President Donald Trump’s former lawyer, made a surprise appearance before a federal judge in New York on Thursday to plead guilty to lying to Congress about work he did on an aborted project to build a Trump Tower in Russia.

Flanked by his lawyers, Cohen admitted making false statements in 2017 to the U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence about the project.

That unredacted report will be the hottest seller on Amazon by summer.

Australia is ready to confirm key meeting that started the Russian investigation.

[quote]"I’m fucked!"

This should be front page headline, literally!

[quote]This should be front page headline, literally!

One suspects that will indeed be the headline of the NY Daily News tomorrow morning.

The somewhat "good" (loosely termed) people in the beginning of trump's term are gone.. even they couldn't stomach his strange, illegal requests. What we have here is the sludge.. this is what is left of draining the swamp, the putrid material of slime, dead matter. It's sinking lower, too. Barr is a great example of this. What's revealed today isn't surprising about trump, but it's more about Barr... who we see how lowly corrupt he is. These are the people of his administration. Barr is the new Cohn.

[quote]This should be front page headline, literally!

Literally? What does that even mean?

That it is a quote that should *literally* be on the covers of a newspaper, R264.

Are you being purposefully obtuse?

Kyle Griffin:

In light of Trump claiming he has the best memory: P 417: "...the President stated on more than 30 occasions that he "does not 'recall' or 'remember' or have an 'independent recollection'" of information called for by the questions. Other answers were "incomplete or imprecise.""

Ah, [R262] you beat me to it by seconds! Also, can't wait to check out the pic that'll accompany the headline. (Daily News is one of the few things I love about NY (ex-NY living in Reno now).

It is rather clear that Trump attempted to obstruct Mueller's investigation and Comey's before that.

What sort of idiot attempts to obstruct an investigation when he is innocent? Mueller being unable to prove Trumps guilt of conspiring certainly doesn't mean it didn't happen. Trump's own actions make it clear he is guilty of a lot, proving it is another thing.

We have known all along that trump is a corrupt, lying, conman. It's there for us to see every day. The corruption runs deep, there seems to be no end of unethical individuals who will step in the support the fake prez. His supporters are either equally corrupt or ignorant deplorables. Continuing to defend the indefensible with glaring evidence of the corruption is severely damaging this country. It must end, it will end, but how long it will take and how severe the damage still remains to be seen.

Just to make sure I have it right...I mean it's fucking clear as day that Trump and his campaign repeatedly communicated and colluded with Russia. Mueller's report was investigating conspiracy since collusion isn't a crime, right? and it's not that they found no evidence but that there was not enough without a reasonable doubt to conclude a conspiracy?

It seems rather technical rather evidence-based that there was " no collusion or conspiracy".

*it seems rather technical rather THAN evidence-based

We don't know what mueller knows, or can prove. We have not seen the full report, yet.. We don't know what the grand juries know, we don't know what the 14-17 investigations know. We need to know. Trumps supporters are a cult.

Chris Wallace, the most moderate repub on Fox (not counting Shep Smith), says at most the info in the Mueller report is "politically embarrassing/damaging". Brett Baier agreed but also wanted to focus on just the conclusion of no collusion, no obstruction rather than the explanations behind them.

So basically Fox is not moving the needle at all. Chris Wallace maybe slightly but he said there probably isn't enough to impeach Trump over. Really lmfao? I can't imagine if a Democratic president had all of this written about him/her

and of course the Fox hosts are already talking about the possible investigation Barr will authorize into the Obama administration's origins of investigating Trump.

They're also salivating over the upcoming IG report

But anyone could predict what FOX would say. If you are watching FOX, your mind was made up a long time ago.

Remember back in October 2018 when Trump invited Rosenstein to travel with Trump on Air Force One to Florida?

Forget the fact that Republicans had zero problem with this meeting despite going completely nuts when Bill Clinton met with Attorney General Loretta Lynch on an airplane while Hillary was being investigated, which forced Lynch to recuse herself from the Hillary email investigation leaving it completely up to Comey.

Many thought that Trump would fire Rosenstein before or during that meeting however Trump claimed they had a great meeting and that he would not be firing Rosenstein. I would love to know what happened and what was said in that meeting. Trump had been publicly critical of Rosenstein prior to that meeting, after that meeting I don't think Trump complained about Rosenstein again.

The fox watcher is a troll - I have that person banned.

The report is toothless. It’s over. Move on.

For the other posters who don't have me blocked, please ignore R277 I can't believe some here so absurd that they'll block a person for posting what the idiots on Fox are saying. That doesn't mean I'm a troll. I've said in countless in other threads it's important to see what the other side is saying. If you check my other posts you'll see I am firmly anti-Trump and the assholes on Fox and the repubs.

toothless like most of Trump's cult followers and Russian citizens?

Analysis from Neal Katyal

R281 ok that makes a lot more sense. So it sounds like Mueller really would have concluded Trump had committed crimes, even conspiracy if not for the OLC standard

GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS!

“What, me worry?”

What has tRump been doing since the report was released?

^ He's headed to Mar-A-Lago

I hate Ivanka Trump. not as much as her father, but almost.

Where is Melania? Getting double teamed by her two favorite Secret Service studs?

I wonder if any of the other investigations were waiting for the release of the Mueller report before any further indictments occur. Obviously we don't have the whole thing yet but I wouldn't be surprised if we see more indictments in the next couple months from SDNY, NY state, DC and Maryland

I hope so, r289.

oh ok Barbara McQuade just broke down why there was likely no conspiracy charge-Mueller could not find clear evidence of an official agreement between the Trump campaign and the Russians but obviously there is abundant evidence that they communicated and helped each other heavily.

So it's not that Trump did not collude; it's simply the formality of agreeing hasn't yet been found. So it is misleading if you hear someone saying Trump campaign did not collude

Got it

They coordinated. Focus on that word. That should be the headline.

And did the Barr press conference go into the attack on the election by forgiven actors? That should have been discussed in detail. The country needs to know what happened.

another important point is Mueller felt constrained. He knew trying to force Trump to speak to Special Counsel would have resulted in months of litigation. He also could not get certain answers due to the lying of multiple Trump associates

Mueller: “Though phone provider records show that Steve Bannon and Erik Prince "exchanged dozens" of text messages around the time of the Seychelles meeting, there were no messages available for investigators to read on their phones. Both men said they didn't know why that was.”

So what has the Mueller Grand Jury uncovered after the Report was handed over to Bill Barr?

“On Nov 9, 2016, someone wrote to the head of Russia's sovereign wealth fund Kirill Dmitriev that "Putin has won." We don't know who wrote that because it's redacted.”

Trump personally directed Mike Flynn to find Hillary Clinton's deleted emails, special counsel says. Flynn then reached out to GOP operative Peter Smith [the one who committed suicide] and [bold]Chuck Grassley[/bold] staffer Barbara Ledeen, who embarked on parallel efforts to obtain them from hackers.

In July 2017, President Trump sought to prevent disclosure that his eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., had arranged a meeting during the 2016 campaign after being promised information that would be damaging to Democrat Hillary Clinton that he was told had been gathered by the Russian government, according to the special counsel’s report.

The month before, the president’s advisers were alerted that the New York Times was planning to report on the meeting, which took place at Trump Tower in June 2016 between top Trump aides and a Russian lawyer linked to the Kremlin . On the flight back to Washington from the Group of 20 meeting, White House adviser Hope Hicks gave to the president a draft statement by Donald Trump Jr. that said the younger Mr. Trump had been told about “information helpful to the campaign.” The president directed Ms. Hicks to “say only that Trump Jr. took a brief meeting and it was about Russian adoption,” according to the report, which cites Ms. Hicks and text messages between her and Donald Trump Jr.

Donald Trump Jr. urged Ms. Hicks to say that he wanted the statement to say they had “primarily” discussed adoption, texting her: “If I don’t have it in there it appears as though I’m lying later when they inevitably leak something.” Ms. Hicks told him: “Boss man worried it invites a lot of questions.” The statement that was given to the Times included the word “primarily.”

Ms. Hicks later in the flight again urged the president to be “fully transparent” about the meeting, convinced the emails about it would leak. Mr. Trump told her: “You’ve given a statement. We’re done,” according to the report.

Days later, Donald Trump Jr. posted redacted images of his emails setting up the meeting, after being told the Times was planning to publish the emails, according to the report. Mr. Trump’s lawyer “repeatedly and inaccurately” denied that the president had been involved in drafting the statement, the report said.

The interactions over the Trump tower meeting were one of 10 episodes the special counsel investigated while probing any obstruction of justice by Mr. Trump

The Mueller report even with redactions proves to me that Trump is a lying scumbag criminal and I want him out of the WH now. The American people need to make it known with a loud voice that he needs to resign.

President Trump trolled his critics following the release of the Mueller report, joking that he was going to be in office for the next 10 to 14 years. The president was hosting participants of the Wounded Warrior Project Soldier Ride in the East Room and was given a trophy as a token of appreciation. “This will find a permanent place, at least for six years, in the Oval Office,” Trump said. “I was going to say for at least 10 to 14 years. But we would cause bedlam, so we’ll say six.”

Not for the faint of heart, just went to Drudge to quickly see what they were reporting. Oddly enough, the headline is "It's Mueller Time!"

Thought they'd be crowing their Dear Leader's exoneration.

R300 Well, he also said this

Wasn’t the Wounded Warrior Project shown to be a scam? Fitting he would have them in the WH, today of all days.

Rod's name tag. lmao

Nicole Hemmer:

As a presidential scholar who works in the Nixon White House tapes: at this point, the only reason Trump isn't Nixon circa late-1973 is Congress and conservative media.

(Those are two hugely important institutional forces, and the reason that Trump will probably never reach Nixon circa late-1973, much less Nixon circa August 1974.)

R302 Hilarious AND true!!!

BREAKING - SARAH SANDERS LIED!!

Chris Hayes:

Two theories here, and there are arguments for each, I think

1) The president is so emotionally incontinent and was so personally offended by the investigation that he undertook all kinds of desperate, possibility outright criminal actions to shut it down despite being innocent.

or/but/and

2) The President was determined to cover up his actions because he had something to hide and he was somewhat successful in doing so and we don't really know definitively what that was.

House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) said Thursday that nothing he saw in special counsel Robert Mueller's report would make seeking to impeach President Trump a "worthwhile" effort "at this point."

Chris Hayes knows how absolutely ridiculous option 1 is.

But I do love the term "emotionally incontinent".

Senate Intelligence Chairman Richard Burr apparently supplied the White House counsel’s office with information about the Russia probe.

[quote]Chris Hayes knows how absolutely ridiculous option 1 is.

That’s his point. Option 2 is what Hayes believes.

R307... I'm shocked!! Shocked, I tell ya!!

All the report pages, showing extent of redactions.

All of them witches...

Wow, I'm going to guess that this is far from over based on the fact that trolls are working overtime to have this thread disappear.

They wouldn't bother to FF unless they're still worried so that still gives me hope.

Just a reminder to everyone to WW the OP so it can undo the greyed out strike through!

I wonder how can he say that, R309. He doesn’t know what is redacted. If it’s nothing then why are there 12 criminal investigations still occurring? Why was anything redacted then? I’m sick of them saying nothing here, to just move on. There is something there and we have a right to know it. We have a right to a trustworthy government or at least an attempt to foster one. This rampant corruption should not be treated as normal events. It’s not the new normal. It’s adnormal and abberant. These people work for us and we have a right to know who they are and what they are doing in our name.

Did they say how much the whole thing cost?

Thwenty five million. Whitewater and Lewinsky cost 70 million over eight years.

"At this point," of course means "until the poll results come out." I still have to believe that Congress will eventually be forced to cave.

Between 42 and 46 million in assets were seized from the criminal, Paul Manafort.

*twenty

The look in Rod Rosenstein's eyes at R304 tells it all - he cannot believe he's going along with this and how fucked up it is.

Meanwhile Trump has jetted off to his Florida palace to spend the holiday weekend on his luxury golf course and dining in style with his rich friends. He’s slimed through this and he’ll continue to slime through the next two (possibly six) years while the media and the democrats continue to bleat ineffectually.

Approximately 96 million has been spent on Trump’s golf outings to date.

Something happen today? I was very busy...

getting my nails done.

Trump will stroke out within months.

We need to WW OP...it is currently crossed out due FF coming in...

TMR & Trump’s Kiddos

I can't figure out why Trump, Jr. wasn't indicted, especially after reading the unredacted portions about him.

At one point in the report where they are outlining each individual's actions, there is one person who is completely blacked out. It can only be Jr.. Maybe they'll use his pending indictment to get Trump to resign.

R331 the only thing I came up with was that they were trying to hand that off to NY so Drumpf couldn't pardon him.

But, they can't hand off the part where he blatantly lied to Congress to anyone else. It's federal and Michael Cohen is going to jail for the exact same lie.

[quote]the only thing I came up with was that they were trying to hand that off to NY so Drumpf couldn't pardon him.

Y'all need to keep that shit!

I'm too busy up here trying to decide what take-out joint we are ordering from tomorrow.

When will the calls come for Trump to resign?

Trump Jr will be indicted by NY. Count on it.

I think Don Jr and Kushner haven't been indicted yet because they are still being investigated in the FBI-led counter-intelligence probe

Any mention of Duetsche Bank yet?

[quote]FBI-led counter-intelligence probe

Any idea when this is supposed to conclude? Could it be the second punch in the one-two knockout to get rid of this piece of shit? Could the Senate still fuck us all over if both Mueller and the FBI probe come to the same conclusions and the House impeaches?

[quote]Trump Jr will be indicted by NY. Count on it.

You can count on it!

Just give us a good 15-18 years and we'll see it happens.

R341, it's getting boring. It's like my little nephew repeating the same joke over and over because he got a laugh once.

R342 I thought of it more as a toddler repeating the same joke over and over until he got at least one.

Ok, so the Seychelles meeting has come back to roost; waiting for Dubrovnik.

R340 I'm not sure when that's going to end. It seems like it's going to continue because obviously Trump is still working with Putin. This may mean it won't conclude until the end of his presidency. Hopefully that will be January 2021

It's beyond disgusting what they're doing on Fox. Again it's important to at least see what they're saying. They're simply going off of the "no obstruction, no collusion" headlines and not telling their viewers all the information in the report or why Mueller did not indict. So the real question will be what do moderates/centrists/independents feel about the redacted Mueller report? Clearly on the propaganda network, the needle is never going to move. They're acting like Democrats are desperately flailing at something that is a hoax. It's disgusting

but keep in mind there are close to 20 other active investigations going on. So there is still hope those who weren't indicted by Mueller will be at some point by others.

Obviously Mueller did not get into Trump's financials

I thought Mueller had RICO specialists looking into the whole money laundering aspect, r347. Could Trump's financials have been handed over to state investigations, or does the report explicitly state that Mueller's investigation did not go there?

Question to anyone that may know. Did the redacted report mention Mike Pence at all? If so, how frequently and in what context?

Fat Pig Sarah Sander was named as a liar. She has to resign.

oink oink lie oink oink oink lie

THat fat wonky eyed piece of poo better resign

Donald should have been more worried about the SDNY. He can't pardon anyone on those charges, so if Ivanka, Jared and Moron Don Jr. go to prison for money laundering, tax evasion etc, Melania will have to take care of their kids.

By the time they confiscate Trump's money, Trump won't have enough gold toilets left to melt down for cab fare.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez cites Lindsey Graham's statements in calling for Trump's impeachment.

Miss Lindz is on another junket in Africa courtesy of taxpayers. While on safari, hope she doesn't get the vapors, faints, and falls off an elephant.

WRONG r353. That is a federal office.

Yes, it’s the NY state cases (or any other state) Trump cannot pardon.

Lindsey is focused on women's issues. Yesterday she went to a Women's Entrepreneurs Initiatives conference with Ivanka.

I think we'll all appreciate that Mueller was thinking strategically and long term regarding the den of thieves in the White House.

Chairman Burr, Senate Intelligence Committee, was cited in the redacted report as sharing with the WH the names of people who were under investigation by the F-B-I.

What does McConnell and the committee plan to do about it?

AOC really popped Miss Linds in the nuts with that one! They are such rank hypocrites. Getting on their high horse when it suits them, whitewashing when that’s more convenient.

Redactions:

Report in 30 seconds

Thanks R361, but already posted at R315.

I don’t think the press and the public has had time to read the full doument and then get a chance to process it. Give it a couple of days.

This was some brazen s*#!

R334 We’re thinking Popeye’s, Boo!

R348 it's possible Mueller hired them and sent them + their work to somewhere else like SDNY but the Mueller report does not assess Trump's finances or taxes

[quote]if Ivanka, Jared and Moron Don Jr. go to prison for money laundering

If there's a politically based prosecution, the Trumps could move to Florida and have the governor refuse to extradite.

Huh?!? Can people seriously avoid state charges by moving to another state? That’s insane.

and remember super deplorable DeSantis is governor until at least 2022

No R369, R368 is trolling.

So, do we go forward with the impeachment that is rightly due even without any Repugs in the House and an almost assured finding of not guilty in the Senate? What if doing the right thing gives him a second term? Is it the right thing to do if that's the case?

girl interrupted; boi redacted

The OP is crossed out now. Thread closed. And don't start part 98 because this is OVAH.

Pres Bone Spurs is in a corner? He's fucked? (His own words!)

Um... no it isn’t r374. Have another shot of vodka... you’re going to need it.

SAD!

R377, like reality matters to QAnon. They'll just fold a new narrative into their delusions and double down.

the deplorables are hoping Barr will launch an investigation into the investigation of Trump's campaign. They're also expecting the IG report to lead to the arrests of Comey, McCabe etc

I wonder if Barr will actually launch that investigation. I mean he proved today he doesn't give a shit about the truth and is willing to accept the majority of the public's scrutiny

Why is CNN interviewing Trump's attorneys?? Chris is up there with a board of bullet points talking to Rudy G. and Jay whatever....we already know what they're going to say so what is the point of even having them on the show?? It's not like they'll say, "OH GOD CHRIS! You're right! Trump IS guilty as hell but it took your excellent points to make it clear to me"

Miss Lindzay in L❤️ve.

Hot daddy mcCabe is on rachel maddow right now!

Kellyanne wants apologies! Fucking cunt!

Kellyanne should apologize to the world for this

Picture it: Andrew McCabe and Clint Watts at Coachella, sucking face and fishing around in each other's shorts.

Former Congressional Intern- the mood in Congress is dire. The GOP knows spinning this is futile but they will try. IF public opinion is on the side of truth, the truth will win and he will go DOWN. So call, call, call. Everyone knows he is guilty asf. They've known it all along. Now, it is out there.

What do we say when we call r386?

R383 / R384 the sad part is that most likely all these staffers will still have careers in politics when the Trump administration comes to an end. Look at Barr. He was a disgrace during Bush I years but it was largely glossed over and he was referred to as "respectable" leading up to his confirmation this go around.

I can easily see a lot of the people in the Trump administration simply staying behind the scenes for a years and then returning for prominent roles in 10/15/20 years.

Kellyanne Conway and Sarah Sanders won't be shunned by most repubs either

R387 You say we know the truth and any amount of spinning and lying will not work for a majority of voters. Then say, you want to gamble a majority of Electoral College voters will elect him off of this? Have at it because the facts are damning.

Make them work for their money.

Giuliani and others talked about this from the very beginning. Their strategy was that they cast Russia's interference as a political rather than legal issue. They spread their propaganda for two years, calling it a witch hunt, fake news, enemies of the people, hoax, and anything else they could think of to advance their narrative. Thanks to Barr, they were able to contain Mueller, and force him to shut down his investigation.

Then Barr gets ahead of the report, by "summarizing" Mueller's findings. By getting out here ahead of the true facts in the case, and the actual report, they can continue to spin it, and promote the belief it is political not legal. Since Mueller didn't charge the sitting President, leaving it to Congress, it now actually does enter the realm of politics.

The House will function similar to a grand jury. They will investigate, and they will charge him (impeachment) with improprieties and high crimes or misdemeanors. But as long as the Trump crowd continues to promote their "political witch hunt/hoax" they will hold the Senate. If we want the Mueller findings to gain traction and result in getting Trump out of office, then we have to start promoting the findings in a real PR campaign. That's the only way to erode support for Trump in the Senate. We have to figure out how to pry 20 Republican Senators away from McConnell.

We have to be smart and sharp and aggressive. We also have to be careful not to look petty, tiresome and vengeful. We don't need the public thinking Trump is some kind of victim. That is what I believe. Now, GIuliani kept saying this is a political thing not a legal thing. And that is exactly what their strategy has been from day one. They have cast Mueller's investigation in those terms from the beginning. And they cast his report in that framework. So now that it is out, as far as they're concerned they can continue to run the board accusing the Democrats of a partisan political strategy. We have to be just as aggressive and strategic.

SDNY is Federal....and Trump CAN pardon....NY state cant be pardoned.

R386- I'd be watching for how the House Dems react. There's no way they'd go ahead and try for impeachment unless they knew that the GOP Senate was with them. If any of them start making noises about looking into it, then that's when I would think they've gotten the green light from the GOP.

Someone said that pages of the redacted report look like clothes from Moira Rose's closet...and yes, they really do! Especially the dress second from the left.

concerns now are that Barr will interfere in the SDNY investigations.

R394- After today, he should probably lay low for awhile.

R395 that's the thing-Barr doesn't give a shit what most of the public thinks. He feels free to be as much of a partisan hack as he can be. He doesn't care about social media ripping his obese ass a new one or federal attorneys/former DOJ staff on news criticizing him. He is so goddamned arrogant just like most repubs that I expect him to continue fixing for Trump.

We have no clue how far along SDNY is but don't be shocked if Barr interferes

[quote]concerns now are that Barr will interfere in the SDNY investigations.

Or already has interfered. I believe he also shut down Mueller. There was a sentence in the report along the lines of "can't make a conclusion with current available evidence" or something like that. It seems to indicate that they hadn't gotten to everything yet.

Yes, R396, he, like his Olestra-hued boss, will do as he pleases with impunity. They know the only consequences from Democrats are Sternly Worded Letters and scoldy tweets. Think a little brat who knows he can show out and act the fool and Mom won't do a thing. It's time for Mom to BEAT THEIR ASSES.

The Mueller report does vindicate Comey as it mentioned evidence backing up what he said about Trump asking him to dinner the loyalty pledge. I'm sure Trump and Fox ass lickers will still refer to him as "lying James Comey" but we now know he's very honest.

Thanks, r377. That makes me laugh with evil Glee.

I do hope they have a Jones Town moment.

[quote] We also have to be careful not to look petty, tiresome and vengeful.

Too late.

Mueller wrote a clumsy summary statement.

To say that "Had we enough evidence to clearly exonerate....we would so state."

No. Mueller needed to write "We have sufficient evidence to...."

He wasn't tasked with exoneration, so why even mention it? And the adverb "clearly" suggests there might be SOME evidence, albeit muddled, to exonerate.

And concluding there is no evidence that Trump directed Michael Cohen to lie to prosecutors, even though the latter so testified under oath while the former "didn't recall" anything in his written answers and was never interviewed, never mind questioned under oath?

Is Mueller really that naive?

R291, Mueller thought some kind of WRITTEN agreement between Trump and Russians was necessary to prove conspiracy?!

I guess Mueller IS that naive.

Even Brutus and Cassius knew better.

R403 Mueller isn't naive but there's a high bar for proving conspiracy. Mueller apparently thought he couldn't prove it without a reason of a doubt.

I still think Don Jr and Kushner could get indicted in 1 of the many other investigations that are ongoing. Likely they are in some of the redacted parts of the Mueller report which is bad news for them

also R403 I don't think it had to be written but there's a difference in accepting aid through a certain act "we can give you Hillary's emails" and accepting general aid "we will work with you to win" etc

R403 Geez, did Mueller expect Trump's and Putin's signatures on that written agreement as well? All the collusions were done by underlings or intermediaries just so there would be room for scapegoating and denials. We are dealing with dirty scoundrels with a common aim here... all they needed was communication to coordinate not an ironclad contract. Just evidence for such communication (which obviously exist) would be proof enough of conspiracy. You would think anyone who has investigated organized crimes and international espionage would know better

SmellyAnne is our own Kmart Goebbels — if she says something publicly, you know the opposite is true.

[quote]The Mueller report does vindicate Comey as it mentioned evidence backing up what he said about Trump asking him to dinner the loyalty pledge.

Not only Comey. Also the intelligence agencies conclusions on the successful Russian operations, the Steele Dossier, Michael Cohen, tons of journalistic reports that the WH and Trump called fake news, and of course the reports that some election systems were hacked.

[quote]Mueller Report Bolsters Claims That Russia Penetrated Election Systems in Florida

[quote]When then-Sen. Bill Nelson warned of this last year, he was mocked by Republicans and the media.

the only thing it seems to dispel is the Cohen-Prague story. Apparently that is not true, as Cohen stated under oath. I'd like to find out who the source for giving McClatchy that story was

Just like other Republican assholes have been publicly shamed, if fat-assed Barr shows his two faces in public (and you know he probably grunts and lumbers his way to commercial food troughs/buffets on the regular) he should be met with derision and consternation EVERYWHERE HE GOES! His vile son who works openly for Trump's campaign should recieve the same....Hopefully in full view of their wives and children/grandchildren. Patriots of Virginia, and the greater D.C. metropolitan area: SHAME THESE MOTHERFUCKERS ON THE STREETS, AT RESTAURANTS, AT PUBLIC EVENTS OF ALL KINDS. These traitors must be held accountable, and it would be sweet if they began to avoid going out because of it!

Barr probably has the best security in the world. Just like when McConnell was unfazed by those 3 girls who scolded him at an airport last year during the Kavanaugh hearings, I doubt Barr would care if he got heckled or shamed in public. He might even laugh or enjoy arguing.

Bring it on!

R409 Only a phone connected to Cohen was detected in Prague... Anything else was conjecture.

I walked by Trump Tower in nyc and there was a huge American flag hanging in the lobby, by the revolving doors at the entrance. So anyone walk by can see it. I don't recall it being there before, I was in the area just last week.

I am in midtown a lot.

No....I think it would get to that fat fuck Barr if he saw enough people openly turning on him. I mean, he had to have two people (one of whom was a dubious looking Rod Rosenstein) to bolster his lying ass during his 'news conference'. These fuckers have to be made aware that they are losing in the court of public opinion. They surround themselves with their own retinue of 'yes men' on the job. They need to have to face a less-than-adoring-public. They must be made aware that they can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time, but they can't fool ALL of the people ALL of the time.

Remember that anonymous op-ed in the NYT last year? The one by the person who said he (or she or they) were staying in the Trump administration to try to control Trump's worse impulses? I heard a snippet on talk radio about how they now know who wrote it because of the Mueller report, but I did not hear who the announcer said it was. Has anyone heard anything?

oh Sarah, back to lying again tonight. "Slip of the tongue"? "it's not untrue"?

and when the FUCK is Hannity going down?

these "people" are just scum the filthiest ever created

This shit is damning for our "pres". There is no spin. This is damning. He is a corrupt MFer.

Cohen gave the phone to someone else and that’s how it ended up in Prague. His glee in “dispelling” that story was an obvious tell

Watching Rachel Maddow now and just saw McCabe. He repeated the same thing Barbara McQuade did-that Mueller could not find evidence of an agreement. So apparently in legal world, accepting various helpful acts is not the same as accepting a general agreement that someone will help you.

Not in the “legal world”, R420, just for the ruling class in the current hellscape.

r420...The reason Mueller couldnt prove beyond a reasonable doubt is because a lot of the witnesses lied and destroyed evidence...he states it several times in the report.

Do these people think criminals sign contracts? LOL Their "agreements" are verbal with the threat of retaliation.

R246, it was kellyanne. That was my guess. Remember just about a month ago, someone said she leaks the most in the WH.

[quote] Watching Rachel Maddow now and just saw McCabe. He repeated the same thing Barbara McQuade did

When not even Mr Insurance Policy can play along you have to realize the game is done.

This report exposes this demon in explicit terms. There is no spinning this. This is damning.

It's obvious Manafort was the one who brought the existing Russian campaign to sow discord in the US, and the (at that time) clueless Trump campaign together. He did all the initial coordination changing the GOP platform in exchange for Russian help influencing the US electorate. There is a reason he's still lying to save Trump's ass. Then, Trump and his inner circle got their hands dirty getting involved in the email hacking scheme. Trump was definitely in on this one 100% since playing dirty tricks is what he likes (it makes idiots like him feel "smart"). Trump has lied a lot about everything to do with the email hacking, so you know he is guilty as sin.

Hillary was denied her presidency but cheating. 100%.

R422 yes they did lie and destroy evidence but unfortunately that means there's no solid proof of an official agreement. We don't have that Nixon-like-tape of Trump and Putin agreeing to work together on the phone or something. A recording of that would have been clear proof of conspiracy. Instead Mueller just found multiple instances of communication and exchanges of information but not an agreement.

Sarah is fat fucking lying cunt and hilarious she wore black & white redacted stripes

R429 Bringing Putin into this is unhelpful since he is well protected at a distance from all this dirty business. Collusion with Russia does not mean any agreement between Trump and Putin. The Russian government (under Putin) paid for a covert operation to sow discord among Americans during the elections. The agents from that operation are the ones who used Manafort as the conduit to create the conditions for coordination/collusion (i.e. "agreement") between the two sides. Mueller failed to turn Mannafort completely and hence lack that nail in the coffin needed to "prove" collusion/conspiracy. Of course, this failure is due entirely to Team Trump's pervasive operation to thwart the investigation and obstruct justice.

R431 ok but the point is that even though it's obvious there was collusion, that's not a crime and Mueller was looking to see if there was conspiracy. He was unable to find evidence of an agreement so that unfortunately foiled any charge of someone being charged for that. Unfortunately it allows Trump's supporters on Fox "News" to say "no collusion" with their spin

Former Congressional Intern- I'm trying to get info to you but things are crazy.

-Mueller laid out multiple instances of obstruction.

-Mueller laid out a clear case for conspiracy. He worked with the Russians and that is a clear fact.

-He is a liar, crook, all around democracy destroyer. All spelled out in detail. DO NOT LOSE SIGHT OF THAT!

Any mention anywhere in the unredacted parts of the report of that weird server with a direct line to Russia in the basement of Trump Tower?

Wasn’t that a Mensch attempt to shit the bed?

Nope, R435. The Trump server/Alfa Bank connection is real.

R432 I believe the only reason Mueller cannot get definitive proof of the conspiracy is because Trump is obstructing the investigation by keeping Manafort from confessing everything. Manafort is the one who hashed out the initial quid pro quo (pro Russian platform for campaign help) with his Russian counterpart when this conspiracy began. Later on, Trump's inner circle become involved when the Russians offered dirt (i.e stolen emails from the Dems) directly to Trump Jr.

The Huckster lost her credibility; not that she ever had much of it.

Glenn Greenwald––who has been highly critical of the Russia media coverage for a while now––went on a tear tonight with Fox News’ Tucker Carlson following the release of the Mueller report.

Greenwald said media outlets “constantly fed each other these conspiracy theories and told each they are they were on the right track” and said other networks are “in such a bubble where they have no idea what’s going on in the world.”

Carlson asked how the “discredited and broken” American media can be fixed.

Greenwald said there should be self-reflection and introspection:

“If you listen to the media discourse, outside of a few circles, they’ve just put collusion and conspiracy and all of those conspiracy theories they’ve spent the last three years endorsing––flushed it down the toilet like they don’t exist and just seamlessly shifted to obstruction. And then they’re conflating them to claim that they were right all along. And that is really the alarming thing. I think that in a lot of ways Donald Trump broke the brains of a lot of people, particularly people in the media who believe that telling lies, inventing conspiracy theories, being journalistically reckless, it’s all justified to stop this unparalleled menace. And that’s a good thing for activist to think and a really bad thing for a journalist to think.”

She isn't saying much.

Does she need to ?

It's over:

Keep this thread bumped. Seriously it will take time to wade through this report but dems need to distill it to small easy to digest sound bites for the dim general public with no attention span who havent been following closely for 2 years. Im calling my senator/congress person to call for impeachment.

R442 It's far from over since the House still has *not* gotten access to the full Mueller Report and the underlying evidence. There will be building pressure from other Dems and the voters to impeach irregardless of the Dem leadership's decision. Furthermore, the House has started its own investigation into Trump's finances, which is a whole another can of worms.

Well, the American people are tired of this and think it's time to move on R444.

The spineless Democrats must impeach.

R445 The American people want Trump impeached and then move on to a Dem President.

Sarah Huckabee looks like her face is melting.

LOCK TRUMP UP!

R448... She's a hard one to look at! These people couldn't live without lying... it's like oxygen for them.

Interesting article. Note the pre-report date of the article:

R450 All Trumpies are hard to look at... even the ones with plastic surgery. People can see their evil souls.

All the Trumpies are going to hell for all their lying, aren't they? And the trolls who keep defending these liars get to burn with them!

There is no hell, Rose. We have to punish them here on earth right the fuck now. Preferably with the Mussolini treatment.

How does Rachel walk two years of this back now?

R454 Hell on earth is fine, too.

[quote]I can't figure out why Trump, Jr. wasn't indicted, especially after reading the unredacted portions about him.

Mueller says Don Jr. was too stupid to collude.

R457 Talk about making excuses for the stupid. The more stupid they are the more they need to be reprimanded for their action or else how would they learn?

The whole Trump family is extremely stupid, so they can commit any crimes they want, right? Stupid means they're above the law, apparently.

That Hogan asshole on AC360 last night was unbearable.

Bump since trolls and Webbie are trying to hide this thread.

R441 The New York Post is a News Corp tabloid owned by Rupert Murdoch.

[quote] Webbie trying to hide this thread.

I'm doing what?

You poor, delusional fuck.

Being a Huckabee, lying, over-eating, and showing unwavering dedication to DJT, ain't the way to go, Sarah.

[quote]Mueller says Don Jr. was too stupid to collude.

This is bullshit. Mueller gave him the kid glove treatment for no apparent reason. He should've dragged him to the Grand Jury to testify. Instead, he patted him on the head, Here, here, not your fault.

Not impressed with Mueller's refusal to subpoena Trump, Don Jr, Jared and even Ivanka. All the kids were in the Trump Tower meeting and Ivanka dealt with the TT Moscow.

At least the report exposes the GOP lies that they tried to pass as fact.

[quote]Mueller Report: Assange Smeared Seth Rich to Cover for Russians. Julian Assange repeatedly blamed Seth Rich, the murdered DNC staffer, for Russia’s leaks. The Mueller report shows that Assange was lying from the start.

CRIMINAL, CORRUPT, CHEATERS.

The Republican Party has no fucking shame. Trump lies repeatedly to cover up his criminal, corrupt activities. He’s disgusting and anyone who supports him is disgusting.

Sarah Sanders should hang her fucking fat head in shame. She LIED about the men and women of the FBI for her own self serving, corrupt reasons. I hope she’s fucking miserable.

[quote]How does Rachel walk two years of this back now?

Why should she? See below:

[quote]WaPo: If special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s investigation makes one thing clear, it’s that many of the news reports that President Trump branded as “fake news” were, in fact, very real news indeed.

I think to make the charge of criminal conspiracy would be saying Treason. So yes a higher bar. But that doesn't mean Trump didn't cooperate. He did. (I feel like he did way more that "cooperate" but I'm not a counter intelligence investigator or a prosecutor.) Mueller recounts multiple instances of cooperation with the Russians. And while it may not rise to the level of a criminal conspiracy, it is definitely on the same road, and it is an impeachable offense.

The media and their so-called experts need to take a step back and stop parsing words and legal terms and fully appreciate what Trump and his posse did. They cooperated with a foreign government to interfere in our elections a defraud the American people and they were successful. In fact there was a quid pro quo because the sanctions were lifted and that resulted in billions for Putin & Russia. If it looks like a duck and it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck, then it's a duck. Trump and his inner circle are traitors. He ought to be run out of the White House and prosecuted by the state of NY and have his fucking assets stripped and live out his days at Rikers Island. He wants to spend tim on an island let it be Rikers.

George Conway says there's a cancer on the presidency.

George, there is a cancer and it's called the GOP. The president is just one metastasis.

This is all pretty upsetting. I’m shocked at the Americans who seem to think this report is not a big deal. It’s huge, and it ought to mean the end of the presidency

R455, unlike you, I'm an American and I don't think we should move on. In fact, I want justice and hope that the Democrats and Republicans will join together and Lock Him Up.

R467 fatty was not the least bit contrite on the morning news this am. Pushing back belligerently on cbs morning news.

GET THEM OUT!

The Huckabeast may be a blessing in disguise. She is so universally disliked, she inflames viewers. She may be able to swing pubic opinion in Mueller's direction. Putting her out there is a huge mistake. LOL!

Russiagate fatigue has been setting in for awhile in the country.

Auntie Lindz praises and thanks Barr, and extends him an invitation to appear before the Senate Judiciary Committee. But she declares, she has no interest in interviewing Mueller.

Clearly, Barr satisfies gentleman caller standards, while so many others fall short.

Graham, Barr, WTF ever. The GOP has a plan, a PR strategy and it's all staged. The Democrats need an equally aggressive strategy. Period. We did not create a Blue Wave to watch them shrink from taking Donald Trump to task. As for "fatigue?" That's bullshit.Every single person I speak too is angry. So angry that if the Dems like Tulsi will get primaried. We intend to get our Democratic Senate. We intend to hold the House. We support Pelosi. And we are fucking angry, because Mueller confirmed what we already knew. She won. And the stole the fucking election. I believe in my bones that the Democrats are hoping to hold Trump to one term. If that fails Plan B is a Democratic Senate & impeachment. Count on it.

Still working through Seth Abramson's epic 450 part Twitter thread from yesterday.

Very grateful for his insights.

R427, The Trump campaign was far from "clueless." Remember Manafort and Flynn?

Trump has been Putin's Puppet (tm HRC) for decades!

The NY Russian Mob has been his go-to "bank" for Trump, Inc. ....Not to mention his son-in-law's 666 Fifth Avenue. They don't play with debtors. But they do supply "models" who might originally come from Slovenia.

Trump took the (Gee, I wonder what attracted him to this enterprise involving young women) Miss Universe pageant to Moscow as (failed) barter for a Trump Hotel Moscow, at which time Putin supplied the prostitutes and secured the Pee Tapes, as noted in the Steele Dossier.

Moreover, all one needs to see, provable evidence to satisfy Mueller aside, is Trump's demeanor and expression when he walked onto that press conference stage in a subservient position to Putin. Cowed and beholden.

So now what? All the money-laundering through Alfa Bank, the Bank of Cyprus, Deutschebank, etc. is to be ignored, along with the REASONS for the laundering: the Top 3 money-makers in the international trafficking trade (drugs, weapons, and people, including minors to slake the perversions and criminal tendencies of wealthy men) ?

Trump is a bona fide criminal, a thug. When he made the statement about "I could shoot someone on 5th Avenue...." he wasn't speaking primarily of his loyal cult; he was voicing his DESIRE, like some of us might say, "I could eat some pizza about now."

Finally, WHY did Mueller think he had to prove a Presidential crime "beyond a reasonable doubt," **IF HE WASN'T EVER GOING TO INDICT TRUMP**??

In hindsight, Mueller should have begun with Trump, subpoena and all. Bill Clinton had to testify under oath ON CAMERA, FGS.

Mueller, and America, got played. Or did only one?

Why have the Democrats given a 5/1 deadline for the unredacted? They need that next week.

Everything is teased right here in Emin’s Music video. Funny how much is in plain sight.

R480, To be ever so "we go high" about it.

I asked the same question, r480. It’s not like anything special has to be done to it.

I can guarantee you, plenty of Americans don't think this is over yet.

I'm with R471 - it is like the tRump supporters are looking at an entirely different Mueller report!

Hardly, r475. The Mueller Investigation had been silent but for a few moments (e. g., Cohen's testimony). It's not like there was a Walter Cronkite counting down the days of the Iranian Hostage Crisis, to bring down Jimmy Carter.

Of course, America has ADD, so there's that.

R469 gets it.

The Rosenstein HOSTAGE stare.....

R485, Trump supporters aren't even going to read the report, let alone understand any of it. All they heard was what Barr told them in the same simplistic, repetitive way that Trump talks to them. They have been brainwashed.

mueller messed up so bad, should have had the balls to say hes trump obstructed. leaving it all to congress, what a pussy

no indictment of don jr, jared, etc..

weak man, weak

I have a different idea, r458.

With what's in the report about Manafort and Trump offering to pardon, it seems that a Trump pardon for Manafort has to be off the table for Trump. It would be political suicide. He could do it if he were headed out the door but if that happens, Trump will be thinking more about himself than about pardoning Manafort.

R445, Tired of what? Fox lies about Hillary?

1. Mueller has vindicated all claims of "fake news" made by Trump.....Glen Greenwald can go back to sucking Putins cock. 2. Some of the unanswered questions will be answered....like regarding the Alfa Bank server in trump Tower....Im sure thats part of the counter- intelligence investigation. 3. Pay attention to who all the corrupt players are in the report...im not talking about the liars....im talking about the smug assholes like Bannon and Prince who lied AND destroyed evidence, then played dumb....I cant wait until both of them are in cuffs....and they will be. 4. I love that Mueller basically said Don, Jr was too stupid to live...lol. 5. Trump has to be shitting bricks....he couldnt even complete his tweet storm this morning, ending it mid sentence....lol

^^^^Mueller has vindicated THE MEDIA AGAINST all claims of "fake news made by Trump^^^^

Friday morning: Trump rages against the Report that he claims exonerates him. The people exonerating him are "18 Angry Democrat Trump Haters."

Where do I apply to become one of the 18 angry Democratic trump haters?

R497 Sign me up as well!

You're goin' DOWN, Donnie Two Scoops Dotard!

[quote]She may be able to swing pubic opinion in Mueller's direction.

FOR THE HUNDREDTH TIME, I WAS NOT SCRATCHING MY VAG ON TV, BUTT PIRATES!

I hope Trump is Fucked!

I think we gotta give up on this Mueller stuff and focus on what it takes to defeat the guy in the election. I truly believe impeachment will ricochet badly against the Democrats. We're halfway through his last year as president (the election year being a write off)... they will not succeed with impeachment or on the Mueller thing.

Even most of the candidates for the nomination aren't talking about it.

r501....grow some balls....you come across as pathetic.

We have a President who consistently tries to break the law but the people around him won’t let him. The Mueller report has revealed this in all its glory. Sure inspires confidence in Trump, no?

^ I actually take a lot of heart in that, R503, and it's one of the reasons I think let Mueller go and focus on the general. He didn't win by much last time and only because of the Electoral College. I truly believe his base will hold strong but I also believe it won't take a lot to dethrone him. This can be done. But I believe deeply for most people, Mueller is over, it's done... Dems will only irritate people talking about it. Mueller ain't health care, Mueller ain't jobs and infrastructure (such an easy win.).

All of Confress needs to see the redacted portions. I don't think Mueller can be dropped until all is revealed. Our representatives need to be able to do their job. You can’t have the Republicans hiding findings from the government.

*Congress

Someone on twitter made a good analogy: They were reacting to Jim Jordan, Meadows, etc. and Barr among others on the obstruction thing and they said that Jordan & Meadows et al, believe that if two hijackers are trying to fly a plane into a building, and they miss the building, then it's not a crime because they missed. Trump had guilty knowledge, criminal intent, bad intent, WTF ever they call the legal term, and it definitely meets the threshold for Obstruction. It's grounds for impeachment and the Senate can convict him and take away his PResidency. But the Senate will not do this unless public opinion and the Media are relentless in putting pressure on them. We need 20 Republican Senators. We ought to be dealing with them in their states to pry them away from McConnell. We know how to generate outrage so lets get going.

With he 2020 election, Trump is literally fighting for his life. He knows that if he doesn't get re-elected, he won't be able to avoid the charges against him by the SDNY and he will go to jail. I predict Trump will fight dirtier than he ever has before. It is going to be very ugly. Trying to appeal to his supporters is a lost cause. It will be up to us to get out the vote for Democrats and not get caught up in Trump's vitriol . Ignore him and his deplorables and he and they will go away.

Did everyone miss the part of the report that shows Russians targeting 7 states...Michigan, Wisconsin, etc....the very states that swung the electoral college to Trump....AND THE SAME STATES THAT THE DOCUMENTS REALITY WINNER LEAKED SAYS THR RUSSIANS WERE ABLE TO HACK INTO THE VOTING MACHINES.

TRUMP IS ILLEGITIMATE.

R445, you’re not even American yourself. So what the fuck do you know what Americans think?

Fuck off.

Mueller obviously thinks he should be impeached. I think the Dems really need to impeach him. I know it may be a losing battle but this is a criminal enterprise in our WH! Where does it end?? It is not acceptable.

R480, I suspect because Congress in in recess through 4/29?

Oh, Joy! Melania and "Mother" Pence want another 4 years in the WH beyond the current term.

Of course, their parties, food, travel, attendance at glamorous events, etc. are paid by taxpayers.

This should be big news.

OMG, r514. Look up "fake smiles" in the encyclopedia. That is the photo you would find there.

r514 + If I kept my hair natural like your's....

Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall,

Humpty Dumpty had a great fall;

All the King's horses

And all the King's men,

Couldn't put Humpty together again.

R514, the photo was taken in one of Goody Pence's failed attempts to drown the witch. When she finally accepted the devil's plastic would always triumph, she decided to concentrate on prayer. This had the additional benefit of doubling the number of times she could ask her Lord and Saviour to spare her the ministrations of her husband... from behind.

So the Mueller report says they weren’t able to access all of the conspiracy evidence because of the obstruction.

Guess who probably does still have access to all that evidence?

Congress ought to impeach on the grounds that the President is vulnerable to Russian blackmail.

Meanwhile, Trump and his cohorts continue to put a positive spin or all-out lie on the reported findings of the Mueller Report, as Trump continues to get away with it. This weekend he's back at Mar Lago enjoying the Easter Festivities. He's 72yrs old. If and when they ever get around to charging him and putting him on trial, he'll have died from natural causes. A heart attack from eating too much McDonald's and Kentucky Fried Chicken. It really sucks!

How will we ever get justice?

Trump will live a long life...the wicked always do

[quote]he'll have died from natural causes. A heart attack from eating too much McDonald's and Kentucky Fried Chicken.

I'm good with that.

Tired of Repugs claiming the American Public doesn’t care about this or that. Don’t speak for me. I care!

It's so frustrating. They stole the election. It's obvious! But all we can do is wait until 2020 to vote him out? While the Russians are still in our system working to fix it so they win again? And what about the repercussions like the Supreme Court life appointments? Gorsuch and especially Kavanaugh should not be there. And there's just so much more harm that's been done that could only be fixed by a do-over.

I'm going back to the sand to bury my head in it.

“Soon, we will help you elect Trump once again. Just like the last time. Get ready!”

OK. Let's look at this. Let's say that when Congress returns from Easter recess, the House of Representatives establishes a select committee to deal with impeachment. I think that's how it works. Either that or the House Judiciary committee does it. As I see it, the House functions sort of as a Grand Jury. They hold hearings and conduct an investigation, get testimony from witnesses etc. Then the committee votes on whether to file charges: Draw up Articles of Impeachment. Once these Articles of Impeachment are voted out of Committee, they go to the full House for a vote. With any kind of luck the vote is bi-partisan. Some Republicans vote with the Dems. Pelosi really wants this to be bi-partisan so it's a concern. She doesn't want it to be seen as a purely partisan exercise. That's what made the Clinton thing so bad. That and the fact most people saw it as petty. A blow job?

Assuming the vote favors Impeachment it goes to the Senate. Mitch McConnell will refuse to establish a Senate Select Committee on Impeachment, and Lindsey Graham will effectively block the Senate Judiciary from considering it. It dies. So what is achieved? I'll tell you what: The entire ugly, filthy, Russian plot will be exposed. It will be plastered all over TV and the internet for weeks or months, heading right into the 2020 election.

Because we know the Republicans will ignore the evidence and mostly cast this as a political vendetta, and because we know McConnell will block it, the sense of outrage can be effectively exploited. There will be no way they can spin it, or ignore the sheer volume of wrong-doing.

So either the voting public believes the Republicans, or the Democrats. And even if they do believe the Dems will they think this is petty? Not if we handle it right. Lying about a blow job so your wife doesn't find out is one thing. Lying about Russia is another. If I had to point out one thing I would say the media has not done an effective job of demonizing Putin. He's an evil bastard.He's our enemy. But people don't seem to see the evil in him as much as they need to.

My main criticism of the Democrats right now is that they risk losing momentum, because of the fact that the Media is covering the redacted Mueller report, and there have been no real surprises (Except "I'm fucked!" ) Now, the other thing we can count on is that Trump has done a lot of things having nothing to do with the Mueller report, that are impeachable offenses, especially in the realm of abuse of power. I think it was a mistake to hang your hat solely on the Mueller report. I think Mueller's report should be part of the consideration, but not make up the entirety of the case against Trump.

[quote]My main criticism of the Democrats right now is that they risk losing momentum, because of the fact that the Media is covering the redacted Mueller report, and there have been no real surprises (Except "I'm fucked!" )

And if they do nothing or wait too long to take action, the more likely it is that Republicans will go on the offense with the counterinvestigation they've been threatening.

Note that Mueller said in his report that he wanted evidence to be protected and saved. He said that once the president is no longer president he is open to prosecution just as any other citizen. He couldn't have said it more plainly than that. It's obvious he thinks the president is guilty of obstruction. As numerous lawyers have opined. SUCCESS at obstructing justice is not necessary for prosecution and conviction. All you have to prove is intent to obstruct, and Mueller has already done that. Hell, Don McGann's testimony alone is sufficient to prove it.

R527: Steny Hoyer is saying impeachment's not happening anytime soon.

More: 40% of Americans would still wear the "Russia, Better Than Hillary" t-shirt (XXXXL). Another 50% don't give a shit one way or the other so long as there's the next Tiger Woods comeback or cute puppy video on Facebook.

I'm surprised Cohen didn't have evidence of an agreement since he recorded and saved most everything and was Trump's #1 man

[quote]More: 40% of Americans would still wear the "Russia, Better Than Hillary" t-shirt (XXXXL). Another 50% don't give a shit one way or the other so long as there's the next Tiger Woods comeback or cute puppy video on Facebook.

Really. 40% support Dotard and 50% don't give a shit.

Wow, you're on the Z-list, huh?

Do you only get one ration for that pathetic attempt?

[quote]Why have the Democrats given a 5/1 deadline for the unredacted? They need that next week.

Because, in the middle of this national crisis, they are all taking a two week vacation. Why the fuck isn't Pelosi keeping the House in session?

R533 I wondered that as well. Are the 2 weeks off scheduled to coincide with kids' spring break from school or college?

R529 "He said that once the president is no longer president he is open to prosecution just as any other citizen. He couldn't have said it more plainly than that. It's obvious he thinks the president is guilty of obstruction."

This was discussed on MSNBC last night. Trump is protected as long as he stays President. The second he is out, he can be charged. Someone on L O'D believes he will resign his last week of office, making Pence President, and then Pence will pardon him and he'll go scot-free. In the meantime, Barr is there to fuck up as much as he can In the SDNY investigation to protect Trump before he resigns.

Can Barr be disbarred?

I know little of the legal profession. Who would do it? What grounds would be required?

Can they impeach Barr?

States with NO backup paper ballots: Delaware, Georgia, Louisiana, New Jersey, and South Carolina. This is not good. Of those, Georgia is close to moving purple, and a national election there could be really tight. Georgia has 159 counties, more than any other state, except for Texas at 254. Georgia is vulnerable.

Nine other states have jurisdictions that don't have physical alternatives to their electronic systems: Arkansas, Florida, Indiana, Kansas. Kentucky, Mississippi, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, and Texas. Florida, Pennsylvania, and Texas will be critical states. It is shocking Florida STILL hasn't improved their system sufficiently.

It is not impossible for corrupt precinct captains and other election operatives to succumb to political pressures, bribes, or carelessness that allows outside entities to infiltrate.

If you live in any of these states, start complaining to your election officials, state legislators, local media, and Governors.

Putty will be doing his shit again for 2020. Bone Spurs may silently welcome it, and most Republicans will be at least complacent about it.

I'm surprised at Delaware and New Jersey

[quote]ARTICLE II, SECTION 4. The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

Yes, Barr can be impeached.

R535 and that is why Drumpf will try to become an Emperor.... and the Rethugs will suppor it.

They need to impeach both Barr and Kav.

The House should just send a message by impeaching Barr and Trump. Obviously they won't be removed by the Senate but it would be recorded in the history books. More people would remember Trump being impeached than Clinton

All this impeachment talk is just silly. Pelosi and Hoyer have said it's not happening.

If the Dems want to do the right thing, they pursue impeachment.

If they want to get elected in 2020, they don't.

I don't see any way they get 20 repug votes in the Senate. None.

R544

it just doesn't sit right with me that Trump will get away with this criminal and unethical behavior while someone like Clinton was impeached for lying about having an affair. If the dumbass public still votes repub, then so be it. A democrat would be impeached for this

Elizabeth Warren just called for impeachment.

Anyone with a stupid-ass name like Steny Hoyer shouldn’t be taken seriously.

Steny Hoyer is usually a pretty good guy. I’d like to know why he’s doing this. Pressure from somebody else?

He is saying the same thing that Pelosi and the majority of Democrats have been saying for months. There is no way forward for impeachment without bipartisanship. The Repugs are stopping impeachment, not the Democrats. Stop buying into the Repug spin. Go ask McConnell what he thinks about impeachment and you'll have your real answer.

Bipartisanship is bullshit.

They needs to start shaming Senate Republicans.

Only problem is Senate Republicans are totally immune to shame. They simply cannot be shamed.

Example: Sanctions relief for Derapaska just benefited KY directly.

I know, R552. That's my point. The media, including the more liberal leaning outfits, just keep harping on the Democrats and why aren't they moving fast enough to fix everything. The Repugs are in charge of everything except the House but all the focus is only on the House. Everyone knows that an impeachment followed by a finding of not guilty in the Senate plays into the Repugs hands for 2020. If this were the pre-Reagan Repug party, they'd be leading the charge for impeachment because of what Trump is doing to their party but the current Repug party is amoral. Like I said, stop playing along with the Repug talking points that this is up to the Democrats and Trump and his criminal cabal are angelic victims.

R552 I agree. I think from an election year perspective they would shame the Republican Senators. But here's a concern. Let's say we begin Impeachment proceedings, and the Senate blocks a trial. The possibility that Trump gets re elected is real. The possibility the Dems take the Senate is real. So now what? Do we go for Impeachment again? Can we? So we go for impeachment now and it fails, and we do it again in January, 2021? Politically it weakens our case to have tried and failedand then try again. It's not a good scenario.

[quote] The Democrats need an equally aggressive strategy

As if the last three years weren't. russiarussiarussiarussiarussiapussypussyoussypussyputinputinputinputin

It’s fascinating. Russia has declared war and has taken numerous actions against all of us but our government just sits there silent.

We sit here playing party games and Russia is actively working to destroy us.

Those of you who think any rethug is going to come to their senses needs to listen to Chris Hayes' "why is this happening" interview with Jonathan Metzl.

The rethugs are terrified of their white trash voters who would rather literally DIE than vote for a Democrat. Even when they know rethug policies are literally killing them and their children. They simply care more about denying black and brown people humanity and help than they do about saving themselves.

In their twisted talibangelical mind, they see themselves as martyrs to this great white cause. And they will ALWAYS vote repug because rethugs promise to strip everything from everyone.

They simply care more about killing black and brown people than they do themselves.

I recall a lot of stops and starts in the Nixon investigation. We were dismayed, then, too. Hang in there because change is coming one way or another.

We have to rely on ourselves now. Vote all these fuckers out, and when we have control in 2020, we put that little asshole, Kavanaugh, on the hot seat and impeach his ass.

R559, I used to think views like yours were extreme....before 2016.

Don't give up. We outnumber them and we're increasing daily. Keep up knowing that their time, if 2018 was any indication, is coming to an end.

Is it possible Putin is financing the South American caravans that are appearing to happen like clockwork? Isn’t that a huge trigger button for unrest in the US? Putin has sucessfully hacked Florida computers. I can see him hacking our society by financing the caravans. He would benefit greatly. The Right says it’s Soros. The Left says its Christian Evangelicals. What if it were Putin? Someone is financing this. Who would enjoy seeing the chaos this causes?

If Dems impeach without the Senate, then they risk looking petty and vindictive and having Repubs frame the narrative.

If Dems do nothing, then they risk stoking apathy and defeatism. Russia has already stated outright that they will fuck us over again in 2020.

Since they're damned if they do, damned if they don't, I think I'd rather they went for broke.

So Mueller's report laid out everything for Congress to lay out impeachment.

Just because Barr gave a summary and redacted the report does not mean it prevents Congress from carrying out what Mueller laid in place.

I agree that the Senate GOP are never going for impeachment. So what the Democrats have to do- which they're doing now- is stringing it out just a little bit longer. They need to allow enough time for a few more bombshells to drop and then start for impeachment because by then, the table is set for the election and the GOP will be forced to either continue with justifying Trump....or....they quietly go to him and demand he resign.

That's when Trump will go even more batshit and all the stuff about his finances, money laundering etc will come out. And hopefully by then Mueller will have also testified.

A rat can survive some shit tossed at it, but it can't survive a Notre Dame fire.

The problem with the Senate is that its corrupt. You have Richard Burr, chair of the intelligence committee playing Superspy for Trump, Mitch McConnell who blatantly acts in an unethical and partisan way as long as his bank account swells. You still have Grassley, another who is openly corrupt. Lord knows there are more. The only way to win in the Senate is to expose the corruption and publicly accuse them. I have not heard a single Senator...or Congressperson make a single comment about Burr. No calls for recusal or resignation. I finally saw Nancy Pelosi attack McConnell today for refusing to go public about Russia and hiding it from the people. They need to be publicly ridiculed and demand resignations like the GOP tried with Adam Schiff.

The target of the Impeachment is not the President, it is Senate Democrats. The House will be laying out a map for Republicans to abandon Party over country.

The first thing the House should do is open an Impeachment investigation on the Vice President.

The sense seems to be that Barr has done himself no favors. I wonder if he's thinking about how Michael Cohen ended up because it should be clear to Barr that Trump is not a happy camper right now and he'll be looking for someone to blame. I would be willing to bet that Trump is telling people behind closed doors that Barr screwed up that press conference and made the situation worse.

I'd be interested to see what happens to Barr over the next few months. Barr really should have looked more closely at Cohen because it's clear that giving loyalty to Trump is pointless when the shit hits the fan because Trump won't give that same loyalty back.

I think it is all in the timing. The Dems need to do a full investigation and have as much of it public as possible. Get every one of Trump's former associates on TV basically repeating what they said to Mueller. Do this daily. Then, once there is an establishment of high crimes and misdeamors, impeach the MF. The Senate pretty much has to hold an impeachment trail with the Chief Justice overseeing. If the republicans, refused to do this - especially with all the evidence again being made public, I think there would be a huge backlash. Trump might keep his 40% but the rest of the country would be so ready to out him that they would vote for a sandwich over him.

R568 Thing is, I haven't read the report at all. And everything is focused on Trump. What in the Meuller Report does it say about Pence?

No, sorry, Barr isn't thinking anything other than he did his job and that he'll walk away unscathed. He, like the rest of the Rethugs are smug assholes, who believe they are above the law because they have always gotten away with everything.

Not a whole lot but Pence was in charge of the transition team.

He was there working with Manafort and Flynn.

The opening of an Impeachment Investigation against Pence would scare the shit out of both of them.

How soon could the Democrats get Mueller to testify in a public hearing?

Could SDNY open an obstruction of justice investigation against Barr? He flat out lied to the American people about the Mueller report and withheld it for three weeks while Trump Administration prepped. The summaries could have been released along with his letter.

Yahoo: Romney 'sickened' by Trump administration 'dishonesty' exposed by Mueller report

R575 I dont know... maybe a bunch of citizens could file a lawsuit against Barr and take it to the Supreme Court.

I remember that this was discussed previously. That technically Hillary or anyone actually, could file a lawsuit against Dotard and his campaign for what happened with the election and... well, Ive already forgotten what the goal was. Some legal scholars talked about it on Progressive Radio and said it was actually a viable tactic, but no one had taken it up.

Remember the House charged Eric Holder with Contempt of Congress for refusing to release documents on Fast and Furious. If I remember correctly a handful of Democrats even voted in favor of this. I like Eric Holder. I think he has more integrity in his little pinkly that the whole sweaty body of Barr.

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R576 Same thing as Thoughts and Prayers. If you're fucking SICKENED then do something to show that. Refuse a vote or something other than Thoughts.

CNN: Elizabeth Warren calls for House to begin impeachment proceedings on Trump

I think you're going to see a lot of democratic presidential candidates calling for impeachment. I don't think you can win the progressive vote without making a call for impeachment.

Great Elizabeth but you're a Senator., what are you doing about it within your branch?

Like, great, I'm glad people are calling for it, but it bothers me when it's obviously motivated by a campaign run.

Bring it on, Shitface

Please can we just here from Mueller instead of all the third parties?

Take my poll.

I'm one of those who despises Trump and thinks it's crucial to get him out of office ASAP. I've been against impeachment, though, for the very reason Nancy Pelosi is. Pragmatism. It just wouldn't work, and might even backfire helping Trump to win the next election

However, I think I'm changing my mind. Any legal scholars reading please help me. My thinking is this; getting rid of Trump isn't good enough. We have to get rid of Trumpism, which may stay long after Trump himself has departed. Wouldn't the only possible way of doing this would be to have Trump testify? in public? For the entire world to see? In a place where he can't hide behind his phony campaign rhetoric? Where he is forced to tell the truth? Where all the world can see if he is even capable of telling the truth?

Would impeachment proceedings be the quickest way for this to happen? Think about Bill Clinton. He lied, but he was still pretty convincing and made a solid case within the eyes of public scrutiny? Would Trump be able to get away with that? An impeachment hearing might be the only way we truly get to see Trump cross-examined and sweating for his life.

So those legal minds who truly know about and understand how impeaching a president works. Am I making a correct assumption?

Is there a timetable on impeachment? Could they just start the impeachment investigation which would give them a broader legal scope to attain everything they want and then spend the next year running an official impeachment investigation into every single aspect of Trump and his cabal?

I do not see why Trump would have to appear and testify at his impeachment trial, R586, especially if he was confident that he had the votes for acquittal.

I'm watching this over and over and I just can't stop crying about the road not taken.

I really don't understand why Mueller didn't subpoena Trump, especially after the written answers were shown to be complete crap.

I think there was a plan to use Jr. as the enticement for Trump to testify but Barr shut down the investigation early.

The first question anyone better ask Mueller is whether Barr shut down the investigation like we know he did. At which point, Barr should be immediately impeached.

[quote]I think you're going to see a lot of democratic presidential candidates calling for impeachment.

Considering they all profer identical views on the campaign trail on every possible litmus test issue, that's a given. What they really believe, who knows?

Bad troll, R591. Next.

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